History Hijinks: Greek Wise Guys

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Overly Sarcastic Productions

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When I first studied Ancient Philosophy in college I thought it was engaging and interesting to discuss and whatever, but only years later did I come to appreciate the true hilarity of these Wise-Guys.
SOURCES & Further Reading: Plato's Dialogues (Apology & Republic), Aristotle's Ethics, Gorgias' Encomium of Helen, and when direct sources aren't available, there's a bucketload of great write-ups from Stanford: plato.stanford.edu/entries/presocratics/ , plato.stanford.edu/entries/democritus/ , plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle/ , plato.stanford.edu/entries/plato/ , plato.stanford.edu/entries/sophists/
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Kerosin
Kerosin 2 kun oldin
Love the fact we could have figured out particle physics 2000 years ago but some crusty old dude said “nah I don’t buy it”
lidular
lidular 5 kun oldin
diogenes is awesome
just jack
just jack 5 kun oldin
BEHOLD, A MAN
Owen Frank
Owen Frank 5 kun oldin
God, I love this channel. You sir single-handedly made me the cool kid in my philosophy class. As a history dork in my grade 12 intro to philosophy class, I already had some prior knowledge, unfortunately, my peers did not, with a dry textbook and grouchy teacher people were confused and angry. Enter This video. Now I am hailed as a hero. So thanks?
racelli
racelli 5 kun oldin
I can't even say how much I love the phrase "For every Plato's Republic there is an equal and opposite Diogenes peeing at a banquet table." I want to use this line so badly. Anyone know how I can casually insert this into a conversation like it's a wise, relatable proverb?
Steven Lopez
Steven Lopez 6 kun oldin
If only Diogenes had internet access...
Luke Witte
Luke Witte 6 kun oldin
My favorite part was chicken=man
Eddie
Eddie 7 kun oldin
Diogenes just sounds like the world's first punk, and I love it.
The Half Negative Optimist
The Half Negative Optimist 7 kun oldin
I love how rude and blue always use terms like “ Alexander the pretty all right” or “ Alexander the not especially studious”
joshua massey
joshua massey 8 kun oldin
So gorgias was a sjw....
TransPlant 161
TransPlant 161 8 kun oldin
9:47 that artwork is just The Most
TransPlant 161
TransPlant 161 8 kun oldin
Plato really do be the platonic ideal of a man
Tucker Cobble
Tucker Cobble 9 kun oldin
So Aristotle and sigmund Freud are basically the same guy. Incredibly influential, in Freud's case, took psychology all the way from "a dinner joke cured with heroin" to a recognized and respected science, Aristotle pushing philosophy about as far from where it was left for him, But both of them were weird, creepy, sexist, and wrong about every conclusion they ever put forth.
woodlefoof2
woodlefoof2 10 kun oldin
Diogenes bringing the chicken to platos lecture actually is pretty profound and very applicable to some near future concerns we will be having. There are advances that are making some sci-fi tech a possibility within our lifetimes Namely cybernetics and genetic engineering that might have some people wonder if these are actually humans anymore. If Diogenes saw a man with gills and claws and cybernetic wings and a 20,000 IQ with rippling muscles and cybernetic eyes Diogenes would still see a man a fearsome one to be sure but a man nonetheless Be like Diogenes
K K
K K 10 kun oldin
“Behold, a man!” Now one of my favorite quotes
Sheev Palpatine
Sheev Palpatine 11 kun oldin
Gorgias would have loved reddit
Greg Burzynski
Greg Burzynski 12 kun oldin
Evolutionary biologist here! 9:37 - 9:57 *dies a little bit inside* (But thank you for qualifying it with *morphological* taxonomy!)
An anime fan
An anime fan 14 kun oldin
I wish this didn’t have a cuss word in it or I would have shown my class.
cheezemonkeyeater
cheezemonkeyeater 19 kun oldin
"It's all fun and games poking holes in your opponent's logic until the man suplexes you in the middle of the symposium." Ah, yes, the classic Uwe Boll style of debate.
Ιωάννα Θεοδώρου
Ιωάννα Θεοδώρου 19 kun oldin
2:54 Taking names? More like naming a two-digit number of cities after yourself
First Last
First Last 19 kun oldin
So, a debate between Plato and Diogenes could best be described as a professional wrestler arguing with a hobo.
Eccentriastes
Eccentriastes 19 kun oldin
Maybe I'm alone in this but I've always really liked Aristotle's writing style. Granted I've only read him in translation so maybe translators give him a lot of help. But in any case, "Cicero said Aristotle had good style, but I don't think this book does" seems like a very subjective argument from which to draw historical conclusions. I also don't understand how sophists get such a bad rep. Their crime is apparently that instead of teaching their own philosophy as The Truth, they simply taught their students how to argue and understand/defend different positions. But that's how most people today think philosophy _should_ be taught! So what exactly did the sophists do wrong? Charge money for their services? What's so wrong about that? Philosophy professors today do it while still getting on this weird high horse about sophists.
XinjiangTea
XinjiangTea 20 kun oldin
So... Greek philosophers would seem more like scientists to us in modern times?
Peng Fei Dong
Peng Fei Dong 21 kun oldin
In all honesty Descartes is probably the easiest to read of the modern philosophical classics
Tobias Holub
Tobias Holub 21 kun oldin
Hey there, Gorgias ;)
Deepak Jetly
Deepak Jetly 22 kun oldin
So Gorgias was just Greek Ben shapiro
Hahonryuu
Hahonryuu 23 kun oldin
Alexander the "you're ruining my tan, step aside" is more like it.
Richard Mängelmann
Richard Mängelmann 23 kun oldin
I like that Gorgias guy, I love debates
Jman Jman
Jman Jman 24 kun oldin
Say what you want on Aristotle but the man was on the money when it comes to virtues and morals. Aristotle's virtues can basically be applied to any human to achieve happiness.
Petar Naumovski
Petar Naumovski 25 kun oldin
It's a damn shame that Blue skimped out telling us about the stoner psychedelic philosopher Plotinus.That guy,could like,totally see the universe brah
James McPike
James McPike 27 kun oldin
I will not forgive Democritus for not having access to the LHC. If he’d have asked the Evil Demon nice enough, they’d have moved him through 4-dimensional hyperspace so he could’ve done his due diligence. Real philosophers don’t live their lives chained to a wall watching shadow puppets!
AnaxErik4ever
AnaxErik4ever 28 kun oldin
Here's the odd thing. I didn't know about the stunts Diogenes pulled until watching this video... and I share his views on hating social rules, material wealth, and cultural constructs masking true human behavior (which is self-serving for the most part, I would think), particularly when it comes to people who reap the benefits of inherently biased socio-political systems. Of course, I'll leave off on peeing in the street thanks.
Unknown Fantasy Alchemist
Unknown Fantasy Alchemist 29 kun oldin
To many people conflict the word "Philosophy" with the word "Ideology"!
Unknown Fantasy Alchemist
Unknown Fantasy Alchemist 29 kun oldin
Rules of Philosophy: 1. You know nothing! 2. Everything you think to "know" is wrong! Thats why I love it :)
(STUDENT)William Giles
(STUDENT)William Giles Oy oldin
"Greek philosophical pantheon" only on osp
NoOneInParticular
NoOneInParticular Oy oldin
Diogenes is like Holden Caulfeld, but likable.
Kyle Cooke
Kyle Cooke Oy oldin
I knew Diogenes was going to be on here just from the title lol gotta love the oddball
E X P A N S I O N P A C K
E X P A N S I O N P A C K Oy oldin
Thales(?) Got the idea of where the continents and (possibly) land creatures originated from, Pythagoras is out here inventing CGI, and Democritus just casually nailed Atomic Theory, and all of it was thrown out for Aristotle's very, very wrong hot takes.
fearofdamoon
fearofdamoon Oy oldin
"Behold a man" I am dying of laughter
Stephen M. Stouter
Stephen M. Stouter Oy oldin
Gorgias is basically just the Ancient Greek Ben Shapiro Edit: he made the same joke 2 minutes later lmao
Isai Frenette
Isai Frenette Oy oldin
Diogenes is the best philosopher
rugiiman
rugiiman Oy oldin
hot take: gorgias is right and awesome
Κωνσταντίνος Α.
Κωνσταντίνος Α. Oy oldin
The origin of the Greek word for human, ἄνθρωπος is a really interesting one, and many philosophers debated about it. Here’s what Plato believed: «...σημαίνει τοῦτο τὸ ὄνομα ὁ «ἄνθρωπος» ὅτι τὰ μὲν ἄλλα θηρία ὧν ὁρᾷ οὐδὲν ἐπισκοπεῖ οὐδὲ ἀναλογίζεται οὐδὲ ἀναθρεῖ, ὁ δὲ ἄνθρωπος ἅμα ἑώρακεν-τοῦτο δ᾽ ἐστὶ [τὸ] «ὄπωπε»-καὶ ἀναθρεῖ καὶ λογίζεται τοῦτο ὃπωπεν. ἐντεῦθεν δὴ μόνον τῶν θηρίων ὀρθῶς ὁ ἄνθρωπος “ἄνθρωπος” ὠνομάσθη, ἀναθρῶν ἃ ὄπωπε.» -Κρατύλος (from Cratylus) Briefly, he believed that all beasts have no capacity of investigating and reflecting upon what they see, or observe closely (ἀναθρεῖν)- human however, he can both see (ὄπωπε) and reflect upon what he has seen (ἀναθρεῖ). Therefore, he believed that rightfully human was called ἄνθρωπος, since of all animals he only can do what has been mentioned. Ἄνθρωπος is therefore presented as a mixture of ἀναθρεῖν (to reflect/ observe closely) and ὄπωπε (see). Though he is saying this because he is a philosopher. It’s probably from ἀνδρός (genitive of the word for man ἀνήρ) + ὤψ (like) hence, man-like/resembling a man. However that would give ἄνδρωπος and not ἄνθρωπος.
Duru İnceler
Duru İnceler Oy oldin
9:00 I WAITED FOR NINE MINUTES TO LAUGH AT ''BEHOLD A MAN'' again...
Kade Daivis
Kade Daivis Oy oldin
Why everyone hate my boi Aristotle Was he wrong on a lot of things... sure... he also paved the way to being right on more things than Plato tho Featherless biped vs rational animal As an Aristotelian myself the latter definition I find way more compelling
バンジョベンジ
バンジョベンジ Oy oldin
3:29 ... and that's why steel is heavier than feathers.
LongSchlong Silver
LongSchlong Silver Oy oldin
Plato's theory of the immutable forms single-handedly led to 1,000 years of scientific stagnation
LongSchlong Silver
LongSchlong Silver Oy oldin
This bled into Rome too. For a thousand years Rome didn't invent a single thing, because it was considered ungentlemanly to do any physical work
LongSchlong Silver
LongSchlong Silver Oy oldin
Because he said the physical world was an illusion, therefore useless to focus on and that the "unchanging world of the aether" was what really mattered, it was believed that there was no point to experiment or put your theories to the test. That's why there were so many outlandish claims. If plato had dissected a female cadaver once he would've realised that the womb doesn't move around and cause diseases
EspurrBuns
EspurrBuns Oy oldin
Fuck Aristotle. *gives blue a hug and a pat in the back* there there...
Len
Len Oy oldin
Hot take: philosophy is a waste of time
Rappa Kalja
Rappa Kalja Oy oldin
That's precisely the attitude which has led to so many people accepting baseless conspiracy theories.
Hey Yo
Hey Yo Oy oldin
Uhh without it you wouldn't have the concept of pseudo-science Or logical fallacies and much more
Caleb Lott
Caleb Lott Oy oldin
3:40 That's odd, when I listened to the Great Courses History of Science, I was told that, in certain places in the Middle Ages. you were considered the boss if you could disprove Aristotle in someway.
Nicholas Fallbrook
Nicholas Fallbrook 28 kun oldin
A lot of philosophical “doctrine“ or “standard“ for the middle ages wasn't even Aristotelian. I believe that various forms of Platonic philosophy (I guess you could call them Neoplatonism for simplicity even though I'm sure it's more complicated) were dominant for at least half of that time. But in those days empiricism was not a fully developed concept so getting physical observable evidence to prove anyone wrong wasn't encouraged either.
RavenclawPrincess
RavenclawPrincess Oy oldin
Alexander the anything-but-great
lucy starlight
lucy starlight Oy oldin
My favorite Diogenes story is when he saw the son of a prostitute throwing rocks at a crowd and said "Careful, you might hit your dad!"
wyrmofvt
wyrmofvt Oy oldin
Gorgias: "...and that's why I don't owe you rent." Landlord: "Well, if everything is transient and aetherial, then your apartment is as well, and it just ceased to exist. And that's why you don't have an apartment. Get out."
anne proctor
anne proctor Oy oldin
I need a video of just the different ways Diogenes insulted people!
Dallas Rover
Dallas Rover 2 oy oldin
Gorgias reminds me of the time that my brother and his best friend Drew stayed up late on a sleepover constructing a logical argument "proving" that Drew was, in fact, a figment of my brother's imagination. For fun.
Peter
Peter 2 oy oldin
The main problem with Aristotle is he is basically the embodiment of confirmation bias. He took everything he already believed as ironclad truth and tried to come up with rationaliztions for these beliefs instead of considering other possibilities. Sonetimes this works out, like some of the obvious morality in Ethics, but it's painfully obvious when you look at any of his takes on people and society because everything is just an attempt to justify why Athenian society was the best. "We have slavery and treat women like shit, and we are obviously right, therefore there must be logical reasons for them to deserve this treatment."
some name
some name 2 oy oldin
all three guys at the beginning were technically correct: all life started from water, numbers apply to everything, and atoms man... atoms...
Communism Russia
Communism Russia 2 oy oldin
Plato is an Athenian born and raised, in philosophy is where he spends most of his days.
Bucephalus
Bucephalus 2 oy oldin
"While Athens and Sparta were busy having their little spear fight, Democritus was over here figuring out atomic theory." Possibly the greatest line in the history of UZpost.
Emmet Logue
Emmet Logue 2 oy oldin
Gorgias is just Ancient Greek Ben Shapiro. Change my mind
Undyingfire _368
Undyingfire _368 2 oy oldin
I actually grieve for the lost history of the classical period sometimes
WraythSkitzofrenik
WraythSkitzofrenik 2 oy oldin
Alexander the Meh: I wish to meet this supposed philosopher. Everyone else: Yes, he's gonna finally execute this pain in the ass. Diogenes: ...could you MOVE? You're in my light. Alex: ...this guy is GREAT.
RookoftheRookityRook
RookoftheRookityRook 2 oy oldin
More Diogenes please
Fish Raposo
Fish Raposo 2 oy oldin
I mean, diogenes is not wrong...
Cultist of unn
Cultist of unn 2 oy oldin
Lol I was waiting for Diogenes cause sam o nella lol he’s nice compared to the other philosophers which were essentially just making cults tbh
RJT
RJT 2 oy oldin
"prone to doofy nonsense" Eg. Ah ha! Aristotle was soooo wrong! But he was so sure of himself that everyone kind of went with it.! Actual autism. Maybe the precision of actual research would have been better? Or is too pretentious?
Andy Hunjan
Andy Hunjan 2 oy oldin
Gasped and almost cried at the Good Place reference
Baggy
Baggy 2 oy oldin
A proof that philosophy is stupid and a mess is the fact that when you couldn't sleep at 4 A.M that countless times and asked yourself "Why do I exist?" you were techniclly a philosopher
argella1300
argella1300 2 oy oldin
I’m just astounded that people liked having Diogenes around. To me he sounds like a grown up Holden Caulfield calling everyone a phony. Ugh.
Zeus & Athena
Zeus & Athena 2 oy oldin
Everyone was asking death why don't you come get this guy? " I don't want to deal with this guy for eternity, give him a few hundred more years.
Enrico Boccardi
Enrico Boccardi 2 oy oldin
The more i learn about ancient greek, the more it seems Thracia seemed the collest place that got constantly shit over.
Cecil Weinbaum
Cecil Weinbaum 2 oy oldin
“Diogenes” was the final Jeopardy question in family game night and I remembered him thanks to this video. Only reason I lost was because I couldnt remember his name lol and I was very disappointed with myself. I won’t be forgetting that mad cynic’s name now! Still, Thank you Blue!
William Spell
William Spell 2 oy oldin
"It's not even that I'm right and you're wrong. I'm just more persuasive than you." Gaslighting in a nutshell
Sage Jungwirth
Sage Jungwirth 2 oy oldin
Diogenes is my spirit animal 🤩
Thomas Fieschi-Rose
Thomas Fieschi-Rose 2 oy oldin
Wait, shouldn't elementary particles become atoms then, at least for now? We've shown that atoms can be divided (perhaps too much), so they aren't really atoms anymore.
Rebbeca Witt
Rebbeca Witt 2 oy oldin
I'd love to see a fight between Diogenes and Plato
Rebbeca Witt
Rebbeca Witt 2 oy oldin
Hey yo, Diogenes was a student of Antisthenes, who learnt rhetoric under you guessed it, G o r g i a s
DTOM
DTOM 2 oy oldin
Plato, bibliophile and *tank* That is my new favorite thing.
Jenny Cheng
Jenny Cheng 3 oy oldin
Plato reminds me of Confucius, who is like 2 meters tall, extremely ugly and incredibly jacked. In fact, he accepted meat as payment for his teaching. But when you think about it, if you want to go around spreading ideas of ethics in a time where people are more concerned with killing each other, ya gotta have some arms to back you up.
Νικηφόρος Δ'
Νικηφόρος Δ' 3 oy oldin
3:19 Having said that Aristotle also said that Dolphins and Whales are mammals and not fish. So he was correct there. I don't get why Americans are so happy to dunk on Aristotle. When it comes to logic and intellectual reasoning, he is a must read because they way he THINKS is amazing. That's why he is still taught today (see logical fallacies). Let's see what wise-cracks people aim at our big thinkers in 2k years from now!
It's Mad Low-Key
It's Mad Low-Key 3 oy oldin
Blue: Plato was a jacked wrestling NERD Me: omg he and Lincoln have so much in common😮
gfox 1312
gfox 1312 3 oy oldin
"Socrates OWNS Sophist CRYBABY with FACTS and LOGIC" -Abi Thorn
A B
A B 3 oy oldin
our favourite triangular math boy... (unlike those less favoured triangle math boys) lol
Gresh113
Gresh113 3 oy oldin
As a philosophy major, I am vaguely insulted, but this is also a very fair assessment 😂
TheWildmanden
TheWildmanden 3 oy oldin
So Plato was basically “The Rock”
Shelby Lee-Reid
Shelby Lee-Reid 3 oy oldin
The only problem I have with this video is Blue saying that a coconut can technically be described as a mammal because it has fur and contains milk. Mammals are defined as having mammary glands. Besides this small thing I love the video and have watched it many times
HI
HI 3 oy oldin
I feel like most majority in Europe got beheaded, or hanged.
Pedro Scoponi
Pedro Scoponi 3 oy oldin
Diogenes' face is _perfect._ Thank you so, so much
Mallory
Mallory 3 oy oldin
Thank you Blue for making my day!
Captain Wolf
Captain Wolf 3 oy oldin
I am currently reading the dialogues of Plato and it’s quite a bit of fun.
BackSet
BackSet 3 oy oldin
I used to think that Socrates was giving everybody the finger during his execution but no, he was just pointing up at the sky.
Seeking Absolution
Seeking Absolution 3 oy oldin
I get sad about the loss of classical literature sometimes too.
Akward Turtle
Akward Turtle 3 oy oldin
Sophistic rhetorical theory is cringe
Himax9
Himax9 3 oy oldin
Also, I have to share this: After a great deal of deliberation and thought, I have come to the conclusion that Diogenes was in fact, the George Carlin of his era. Any chance we can get an episode devoted to him?
anon anon
anon anon 3 oy oldin
I can't believe you didn't talk about Pythagorus's interesting dietary beliefs. He thought people were born with the ability to contain/expel only so much air in their lives so eating things like beans which cause *ahem* air expulsion, would lead to a shorter lifespan due to using up some of their allotment of air.
Steve Wondering
Steve Wondering 3 oy oldin
As the president of my previous college philosophy club...I agree
Lucy Alvey
Lucy Alvey 3 oy oldin
are we...gonna gloss over the fact that no one actually "owes" their landlord anything?
ajshell2
ajshell2 3 oy oldin
5:15 That's the emblem of the Republic from star wars. Nice touch.
Majer Jines
Majer Jines 3 oy oldin
4:34 no wait let me get this straight Aristotle might have believe the complete opposite of what we know and the only reason we think he was so wrong is because his students took bad notes? Ok for a teacher that's a little sad
john c
john c 3 oy oldin
more like: Alexanders major; kicking ass and *giving names
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